海角乱伦

@Cherryann01

Its funny you bring this up.聽 I went through NAIA on my trip to the Philippines in Feb.聽 The time before that, I flew to Cebu (stayed on plane) and then to Davao City.聽 My Philippine GF told me not to go through NAIA anymore if I can help it as she said its a lot better going into Cebu/Davao directly.聽 She didn't give specifics, only that its a lot "better"to fly into (/out of) anywhere other than NAIA.聽 Watching some of the news from NAIA, there seems to be some random issues with agents and what-not there.聽 To be fair, I didn't have any issues coming into NAIA, but maybe I came in on a good day/time.

@Cherryann01

It could be the offboarded lady's problem was she was travelling solo, while the others who were allowed to depart were in a group. The power of numbers, if they're in a group Immigration really has to knock them all back or let them all go.

I'm told if you actually travel to the Philippines yourself beforehand and walk your lady through Immigration, rather than her trying to exit solo, everything is fine. I'll find out in July as my partner and I are booked for Hong Kong and Disneyland.

@Cherryann01
It could be the offboarded lady's problem was she was travelling solo, while the others who were allowed to depart were in a group. The power of numbers, if they're in a group Immigration really has to knock them all back or let them all go.
I'm told if you actually travel to the Philippines yourself beforehand and walk your lady through Immigration, rather than her trying to exit solo, everything is fine. I'll find out in July as my partner and I are booked for Hong Kong and Disneyland. - @Brojeslov

No the 3 ladies that were allowed to depart did not travel together.

@Brojeslov

I'm told if you actually travel to the Philippines yourself beforehand and walk your lady through Immigration, rather than her trying to exit solo, everything is fine. I'll find out in July as my partner and I are booked for Hong Kong and Disneyland.

You might be in for a shock. Are you based in Australia or living in the Philippines with your GF? Either way you are really going to have to get your act together so you are both singing from the same hymn sheet. As with everything in聽 the Philippines the rule book can be interpreted in different ways by the immigration officers at the airport. There is no consistency. Its a lottery.

Is this the first time you are travelling abroad together? Has your GF been overseas before? Does she have a regular job? How old is she?

I'm amazed at how many foreigners fall into this trap. It really begs the question why would you want to fly into the country and then fly out again when there are so many exotic locations with stunning beaches to see in this archipelago of over 7,000 islands ?

I suppose if you have been living in the country for some time with your other half it is nice to introduce her to different cultures but why the hurry and risk forfeiting airline and hotel reservations? You won't be able to claim the financial loss back on any travel insurance policy.

'Old Dog New Tricks' released the attached video about a year ago which illustrates the hoops you have to jump through. This is a guy who has been living in Dumaguete since 2017 and has been married for three years.

Agree Lotus - Again though, Old Dog and his lady were travelling from Manila, could that be an important factor and has anybody ever seen a similar video of couples leaving from Cebu or Davao?

@Cherryann01

Old Dog and his lady were travelling from Manila, could that be an important factor

It would be interesting to hear from readers on this Forum as to whether Cebu immigration is more lenient other than just one or two examples.

Bottom line CA would you risk losing over a $1000 bucks on the roll of a dice?

@Cherryann01Old Dog and his lady were travelling from Manila, could that be an important factor It would be interesting to hear from readers on this Forum as to whether Cebu immigration is more lenient other than just one or two examples. Bottom line CA would you risk losing over a $1000 bucks on the roll of a dice? - @Lotus Eater

I think I would take the chance but not until I have visited my girlfriend several times first to build up a relationship history including photographs, just like Old Dog and Mae did. It would also depend on the cost of the flights. Hotels can be booked with free cancellation although usually within 24 to 48 hours before the stay so I would book a room for one or two nights at my destination of choice and then another hotel with free cancellation for the rest of the stay, meaning I only lose a maximum of 2 nights accomodation costs plus the money for the flights. There would obviously be only a certain amount of money I am willing to sacrifice. I would eventually want my partner to come to the UK for a holiday and to see and to understand how life is here and the costs involved and obviously see the sights.

So before I commit to a more expensive trip, I would try get her out of the country for a short vacation to a nearby destination to the Philippines. This would also hopefully help when it comes to bringing her for a holiday to the UK and will show immigration that she has left the Philippines before and returned like scheduled. All this is a long way off for me though at this moment but I am just saying what I would do if I was in a position to do it.

@Cherryann

I have bitten my tongue on this but have to say it seems you are putting the cart before the horse?

Have you ever met this new lady?

Seems you are making long term plans to get a Filipina to the UK to what end only you can answer but Have you actually taken a long hard look at UK requirements to accomplish? Been there and done that with Australia but before I went that far I leased a large condo in Manila for a year and spent 6 months living with Ben, He went to work every day and I bummed around Manila through the day, I cooked Filipino dishes for him/us while he worked and he cooked on week ends, we spent the time together to know each other and the foibles along the way, 14 years on? we are still together. Early and comprehensive vetting from both sides before any major commitments.

He lived in Oz for 6 years and worked hard for 5 of those years in aged care and now here for 6 years seems he looks after me since my retirement, seems to work for both of us but we started by not jumping the gun.

I think we all need to think with the right head.

I maybe have the wrong member here Cherry but was it you that had a child to another lady some years ago and talked about DNA tests?

As said it could be another member here.

Cheers, Steve.

@Lotus Eater

I thought the video showed that the immigration officers believe they have a real job to do and I鈥檓 sure, like every other functionary in the world, they can do that job easy or hard on the person depending on justification or inclination, but the process didn鈥檛 appear particularly onerous, just time consuming. In fact, if you read between the lines, the nature of Baby鈥檚 online employment seemed to create a problem rather than solve one. Given that the screen is an anti-trafficking measure, unexplained income, particularly significant amounts as in their case, could be from sex work so I understand fully why that created so much attention. My GF doesn鈥檛 work so potentially that could cause a problem for us. I鈥檒l let you know how we go at the end of July. As to why we鈥檙e taking the 鈥渞isk鈥�, my answer is why wouldn鈥檛 we take the 鈥渞isk鈥�? Like Old Dog and Baby we鈥檝e got an honest story to tell, my GF isn鈥檛 being trafficked, no-one is telling us we won鈥檛 be allowed out just that we鈥檝e got to jump through hoops. Okay, well, life is like that. It would seem rather sooky to avoid overseas travel just because there鈥檚 a process at the airport. Maybe as a former career public servant my tolerance for being dicked around by government is higher than for most

@Brojeslov

Sounds like you're shooting the messenger Brojeslav. You mention that you worked as a civil servant. The trouble with working for a western world government developed economy is that everything is done by the books. There is accountability and with the greatest respect (I'm trying to put this delicately) most civil servants have difficulty thinking outside the box as they have never had to work in the real world where the cut and thrust of the capitalist system deliver the dough that you adminster as an officer of your government.

Rules are rules but that cosy system that you and I grew up with does not exist in the Philippines. Of course I understand the dangers of sex trafficking and these need to be addressed by the immigration authorities. Like most things in this country rules can be interpreted in ways that can end up with your GF denied boarding.

Old Dog New Tricks is married and even employed a lawyer to advise him through the process. You are not married and do not reside in the country. I'm not sure I would bet on those odds but of course its your decision and I wish you the best of luck. You're gonna need it.

Big Pearl - There seems to be a misunderstanding here, maybe due to the way I structured my response to聽 the question by Lotus Eater, asking if I would risk $1000 bucks to try this. I have no plans to bring any lady back to the UK or take her on holiday outside the Philippines at this moment.

What I meant was that if I did meet a good filipina that I had visited several times and that I felt that I could trust, one day I would like to take her to a neighbouring country such as Vietnam or Thailand for a holiday and I would also, probably after I had been living with her in the Philippines for two years or more want her to accompany me back to the UK for a short vacation. I have no interest in moving a filipina to the UK on a permanent basis.

My main reason even to even consider retirement in the Philippines or anywhere else is the lower cost of living.

But you are correct that it was me who had or thought he had a child to a filipina. I did not pursue any DNA聽 Tests. The filipina involved had a gambling problem and simply ran away and she also turned out to be married. I actually chatted with her husband on Messenger after he sent me a friend request and he was sure the baby was his. Either way the little girl (Alyannah), has been brought up by him, cared for by him and loved by him and he did not want any financial assistance from me. I thought it best to leave Alyannah where she was with a loving father so decided against any DNA Tests. Alyannah was the innocent party so why complicate her life when she was obviously loved and well cared for. Alyannah believed that this guy was her father after all and I did what I thought was best for her.

Cherryann01 said . . . . My main reason even to even consider retirement in the Philippines or anywhere else is the lower cost of living.

That seems logical, many 海角乱伦s are trapped to keep living in the Philippines. I looked at the rental price of my beautiful old apartment in Las Vegas has gone up $500 a month. A return to my old standard of living in the states would be difficult.

Cherryann01 said . . . . My main reason even to even consider retirement in the Philippines or anywhere else is the lower cost of living.

That seems logical, many 海角乱伦s are trapped to keep living in the Philippines. I looked at the rental price of my beautiful old apartment in Las Vegas has gone up $500 a month. A return to my old standard of living in the states would be difficult. - @Enzyte Bob

I have estimated my income based on the State Pension, Work Pension, small Private Pension and my Forces Pension and just do not see a comfortable retirement here in the UK when the time comes in 4 years. I estimate somewhere in the region of 拢1800聽 to 拢2000 per month which is roughly $2400 to about $2700 as of today.

@Cherryann01

These are the latest UK figures for UK retirement as of now:

拢14,400 per year for a minimum retirement.

拢31,300 per year for a moderate retirement.

拢43,100 per year for a comfortable retirement.

Note these are pre tax figures.

Financial advice experts reckon you will soon聽 need a minimum pot of 拢800k ($1million) in an annuity to deliver a comfortable retirement.

Given your figures CA I get your situation. So as of today you would get about 拢12k . You can live on that in Phil鈥檚 (just) but that would be聽 a stretch if you have a 鈥榮enorita鈥� in tow who starts getting hooked on overseas trips in Asia assuming you can get through immigration

It鈥檚 none of my business but I get the impression you are living off your stated retirement income now. Why not spend 3 months in the Philippines this coming winter with that gorgeous Filipina you sent me a pic of?

Cherry, you are the OP of this thread that led everyone to, including myself to assume you were talking about taking your newly found lady to some other country and eventually to the UK.

Wait 4 years until your retirement, add to your retirement fund/s in the interim and then tell us what your thoughts are. I can tell you in all honesty that your budget is borderline, here for day to day living running a home, 2 cars, 2 bikes, a full time caretaker, my visa renewals etc. etc. costs us about AU 3K per month.

We own all the above but car insurances, white goods replacements, O/S or long interstate travel are on top of that, every 5/6 years replacing the car/iPhones etc.

The Philippines might seem cheaper and was 20 years ago but now? It's getting up there especially if renting.

It can be cheaper than what we spend but depends on where you are and the life you choose to live and remember Cherry always have an exit plan and plenty of funds sitting in the bank.

Raincoats a must..

OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

Glad to see my old timers didn't kick in when it came to posts from years ago and glad to hear you sorted all that out with regards to the child and its security.

@Cherryann01
These are the latest UK figures for UK retirement as of now:
拢14,400 per year for a minimum retirement.
拢31,300 per year for a moderate retirement.
拢43,100 per year for a comfortable retirement.
Note these are pre tax figures.

Financial advice experts reckon you will soon need a minimum pot of 拢800k ($1million) in an annuity to deliver a comfortable retirement.

Given your figures CA I get your situation. So as of today you would get about 拢12k . You can live on that in Phil鈥檚 (just) but that would be a stretch if you have a 鈥榮enorita鈥� in tow who starts getting hooked on overseas trips in Asia assuming you can get through immigration
It鈥檚 none of my business but I get the impression you are living off your stated retirement income now. Why not spend 3 months in the Philippines this coming winter with that gorgeous Filipina you sent me a pic of? - @Lotus Eater

I am not living off my stated retirement income now, I am working and have another 4 years until retirement. A trip of 3 months although a very good idea, is not really an option now and like I said the retirement figures I mentioned are projected and based on what they are worth today. So in the region of 拢2000 per month and that is the worth of the 4 pensions I聽 mentioned before combined.

@bigpearl

I would not go anywhere without an exit plan and about 6 months of money tucked away for that outcome. I do not intend to put all my eggs in one basket and if I make the move, I would probably keep my apartment in England and do a 4 to 6 month exploratory trip first. More money I know but best to be safe than sorry and rush things.

Nothing is happening for certain until retirement apart from a yearly trip out there to enjoy life, learn more each time and check out different areas. I was lucky to meet some Ex Pats this time that were married to friends of the聽 the girl I was with which was not the girl I went to see. They live just outside聽 Moalboal and we stopped off at their houses on the way back from a trip to Kawasan Falls and had a good chat. They lived next door to each other.

I will not be rushing into anything, previous experiences have taught me that. The original post was just me passing on something that I had been told that may be of interest to others.

Based on your figures Cherry given that most of living hikes here I would allow a further 10/15% on your forecasted budget for 4 years time. When we lived here 14 years ago AU 2K per month was plenty and now is AU 3K per month and those figures don't include rent nor dancing girls.

Revisit in 4 years when you are ready to retire and in the mean time shove all your spare money into your retirement future.

Plenty of countries around that are far cheaper to live than the Philippines.

Cheers, Steve.

@Lotus Eater

I'm sure the immigration officers are capricious and I know young women who have been offboarded unfairly (both were departing solo to meet men overseas) I just don't have any evidence that a western guy departing overseas with his long term GF for a short holiday has an insurmountable problem. You seem to be forgetting that Old Dog and Baby departed successfully, had they not I would be more concerned. (BTW I also know personally young women who have departed successfully and wonder what all the fuss is about馃し鈥嶁檪锔�). You have certainly highlighted the risk, which I have not disputed. Perhaps that particular YouTube video wasn't a great example given the straightforward process and happy ending (figuratively speaking)

@Brojeslov

Perhaps we should let 鈥楢I鈥� have the last say on this pasted below:

鈥淔ilipino citizens, particularly women, may face scrutiny and potential denial of boarding when traveling with a foreign boyfriend due to concerns about human trafficking and illegal recruitment. This practice, known as "offloading," is primarily aimed at protecting Filipinos from exploitation.鈥�

Based on your figures Cherry given that most of living hikes here I would allow a further 10/15% on your forecasted budget for 4 years time. When we lived here 14 years ago AU 2K per month was plenty and now is AU 3K per month and those figures don't include rent nor dancing girls.
Revisit in 4 years when you are ready to retire and in the mean time shove all your spare money into your retirement future.
Plenty of countries around that are far cheaper to live than the Philippines.

Cheers, Steve. - @bigpearl

Agreed in regard to future hikes although my current projected retirement income as of today is about AU 4K per month and I won't be needing the dancing girls.

@Lotus Eater

Amen brother 馃憤

bigpearl said . . . . Raincoats a must..

I saw an add for Water Mellon flavor raincoats.

Reminds me of a joke.

A man was about to have "calisthenics" with his favorite Filipina at the time. He opened a pack of Water Mellon raincoats.

She asked what is that for? Sheepishly he replied replied "When it's raining I put it over my cigarette to keep it lit. Several weeks later she was smoking a cigarette when it started to rain. She went to a Pharmacy to buy Water Mellon raincoats.

The pharmacist asked what size?

She thought for a moment and said one to fit Camels. (Cigarette brand in the US)

Reminds me of an old joke where the lady asks her man "I'd like to go on a holiday, somewhere I've not been for a long time". His response was "why not try the kitchen sink?"

Cheers, Steve.