Residency - updates and changes 2024
@wondering9
There are many reports from applicants that their application was bounced for a single error, they fix and resubmit, only to have an error on the next page then get bounced.Â
My impression is that most of the time, clerks read only to the point that they find an error; they don't review any further but bounce it at that point.
To the extent that you (applicants) can, you should truly give your documents a thorough proofreading BEFORE you submit anything to your lawyer or to the Ministry. Don't count on the Ministry staff to catch your errors; it could take months of bouncing to/from the Ministry as errors are discovered and returned to your lawyer (or yourself) for correction. Each time there will be "friction" losses of valuable time.Â
A lot depends on your lawyer, of course; the proofreading isn't entirely in your control (unless doing it yourself).  A skilled lawyer who knows the ropes is more likely to have strong relationships with Ministry staff; my impression is that such lawyers are more likely to get reviews of entire packages before return.
- Our naturalization applications were torturous in getting pulled together; our lawyer was a stickler for our (and their) documentation being 100% correct, and we had to fight the COVID backlogs.
- Once completed and submitted, though, the Ministry approved our application in just a few weeks, and we were taking our citizenship exam with about seven weeks of submitting our completed, proofread package. WOW!!Â
- That is an ASTOUNDING improvement over the "normal" timeline of 10-12 months to receive naturalization approval. Don't count on it in every case!!Â
- Part of this success was probably due to our lead-turning the documents aging-out.  Rather than waiting for the Ministry to tell us our FBI investigations were too old, we proactively obtained new investigations and Apostilles therefore, so all of our documents were "fresh" when we turned them in.Â
- The Ministry can, will and DOES reject packages with "aged" FBI investigations. How "aged" they might be before rejection seems to be a little fluid, depending on who reviews the package.Â
- But you can be sure that any investigation over 1 year old WILL be rejected.Â
- Anticipate that standard and obtain new docs/Apostilles on a timely basis.
- For the record, our lawyer is Lishali Baez. She has been nothing but GOLD for our own torturous path to residency, then citizenship, which spanned the COVID era when the Ministry seemed to freeze up solid.Â
- After having an extremely unfortunate experience with our first lawyer -- we were nearly ready to give up, period!! -- Lishali rescued our residency applications and got things done.Â
If I can add another bit of Lessons Learned: Post-COVID, the long pole in the tent proved to be obtaining our own documents and Apostilles in the US. Due to backlogs from the COVID work freezes, it took us nearly 15 months to get the standard docs and apostilles required.Â
- Fortunately, those backlogs now seem to have mostly cleared up.
- Let's hope we don't have another COVID-like event.Â
Wishing you the best in your applications!
Jim
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Great points; but now keep in mind what's happening in many of the US Government Agencies, so delays could or not start again from the Federal side in USA for immigration forms/ documents request and processing, just a thought and we know each case is different. Good luck!
@º£½ÇÂÒÂ×Rusher
Great points; but now keep in mind what's happening in many of the US Government Agencies, so delays could or not start again from the Federal side in USA for immigration forms/ documents request and processing, just a thought and we know each case is different. Good luck! - @CHRISTOPHER DAVID56
Perhaps delays in the FBI background check and getting Apostiles done by the US Department of State.
Something else that keep in mind is the threat to remove American citizenship from everyone with dual citizenship.
@windeguy
FBI easy US Post office 50 bucks received via email and mail with barcode.
Apostille yes could be
Something else that keep in mind is the threat to remove American citizenship from everyone with dual citizenship. - @planner
The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that a person born a citizen of this country (the USA) cannot lose their nationality unless they voluntarily and intentionally relinquish it.
Just reporting what I read and confirmed.  Supreme court also said all person's have the right to due process. At this point we all need to be aware of everything going on.
As for the FBI background checks - they may be affected by staffing cuts as well.
I guess people will be getting it from all sides!
Just reporting what I read and confirmed. Supreme court also said all person's have the right to due process. At this point we all need to be aware of everything going on.
As for the FBI background checks - they may be affected by staffing cuts as well.
I guess people will be getting it from all sides! - @planner
I might be worred If I was US naturalized citizen.  I would be worried for illegal aliens and green card holders in the USA.  Trump won't be president for that much longer.
I am not worried in the least having dual nationality, DR and USA, as a natural born US citizen with parents that were also US citizens. Â
What you saw was "Fake News" on social media regarding Trump ending dual citizenship for US citizens. See the following:
The screenshot is fake and never appeared on the president's Truth Social account. Trump has not made any similar comments about dual citizenship and has praised Musk repeatedly for his contributions to his administration.
The president has even highlighted Musk's dual citizenship before. In December, facing criticism over the tech CEO's growing political influence, Trump said Musk was "not taking the presidency" because he was not born in the U.S. and therefore could not be president.
Members of Trump's immediate family also hold dual citizenship. His wife, Melania Trump, and their son, Barron Trump, are citizens of Slovenia and the U.S. The president is also eligible for dual citizenship in the U.K., where his mother was born, though he has not claimed this.
The community notes feature on X, which allows other users to flag misleading posts, has been applied to several posts featuring the image. One note said: "A viral image purporting to be a screenshot of such a post was fabricated. The post did not appear on Trump's account."
From what I read, the dual-citizenship thing was indeed a satire that got out of hand -- but the fact remains that these are unpredictable times. Something even crazier could happen tomorrow, or business as usual (whatever that is) could continue on. All I can think of to do is be as well prepared as possible and try to keep a flexible mind ready to respond to changes.
I also keep thinking that any of the low-level officials I'm dependent on for this move could have a cousin in *my* country being given a hard time by a low-level official here. Reason #101 to be on one's best behavior at all times...
Regarding my dual US/DR citizenship causing an issue for my US citizenship, I have no worries at all. The fake news about that was taken as real and that kind of thing happens all the time these days. One has to verify almost everything.
Just as a reference on some US government agency timing, we just applied online for Social Security benefits. At the time of application (March 18), the website said the normal processing time was 30 days. I took that to mean calendar days. It ended up taking 8 weeks, which is longer than 30 working days if that is what they meant. Fortunately, we applied the first month we were able to for a start in July, so the extra time didn't impact us.
I think SSA has been hit as hard or harder than some of the other agencies, so hopefully, FBI reports and apostilles of Federal documents won't be too delayed. At least the state-level apostilles (birth certificates, marriage certificates, etc.) won't be impacted.
Shortly after the federal job cuts started, I had a couple of minor glitches at the State Department apostille office -- nothing too disastrous but I did get the impression that people might be scrambling a bit (of course, it might also have just a couple of random bad days).
IIRC Social Security was pretty badly understaffed even before all this started -- phone wait times (as I experienced directly, from inside the US) were measured in hours not minutes. I got everything I needed from them before the layoffs started but I can imagine Social Security might be the most challenging part going forward. To anyone reading this thread in the future, definitely get your Social Security ball rolling as early as possible!
I too hope the other agencies won't be badly affected. I guess the main thing is to be prepared. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best!
Here's the thing: We can sit around and complain, or we can do something to bake a bigger pie.Â
- Please, help bake the bigger pie!
Jim
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We had a typical Dominican day at immigration yesterday. I had a 9:00 AM appointment to get my residency card so I could then get my cedula. I had been warned it could take 3-4 hours to get my residency card. Liz from Lishali’s office was there to meet us. The rules to enter had changed. Applicants only. Liz started working her phone. A different guard came up to us and said Liz could accompany me inside but my wife, who is Dominican could not. Ok, not the end of the world. Liz started working her phone again and a third guard came up to us and escorted the three of inside and directly to the office. 15 minutes later I had my residency card and we were driving to get my cedula. Cedula was easy. Liz and Lishali’s office saved my day.
@AttyLishali2
thank you for this great information. my fiance and I are investing in the DR. would any process be more challenging to process in we are not married. We are planning to marry bu no date in yet solid. what is your take on this? is it best to marry before submitting any docs?
Thank you Ms. Lishali,
respectfully
Walter
@AttyLishali2
 Hello Attorney Lishali, would not being married complicate the process or make it more challenging? my fiance and i are both investing in the DR.
also, units are projected the be completed by the end of this year + 6 mos grace period. should we start process process for residency now? even when we do not know when we actually be getting the property titles....
Please advise
While waiting for Lishali to respond, I'll provide my thoughts!
1) Without being married, you would each need to qualify separately. I don't think one property works for two non-married individuals.
2) I'm sure you have to close on the property before the process starts. There are way too many delays and cancelled contracts here for them to provide residency based solely on contracts.
@walter1107b
Hi Walter,
Thank you for your patience and to the planner who is always nice enough to let me know when my attention is required here.
It will be more challenging to apply for a reunification visa and residency after one of the applicants has qualified, then to apply together at once.
Additionally, with the current wait periods and changes at the Immigration Department, the sooner you apply the better, things are changing rapidly again.
Best,
Lishali
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