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Elderly couple looking to relocate seeking advice on EVERYTHING

wysemanjohn

My wife and I are in our 70's, happily retired in a single flat home with a golf course view in the suburb town of New Orleans La area.  We are considering making a radicle decission for our stage of life to move to France as it is difficult to witness the path America has taken.  Can anyone take the time to tell us what life is like for elderly, fairly sedentary, needing good health care and here is the killer only English speaking?  Is France accepting of American Immigrants (º£½ÇÂÒÂ×s) or we now outcasts thanks to Trump?  We would love to hear from you on all aspects of daily life there.   Our basic guidelines are a smaller town but close to perhaps a bigger city with an airport, good hospitals and with people who will or can communicate in English.  I know the French are not very accepting of people who don't speak French so perhaps life would not be good for us in France?  I have read Annecy, and Dordogne (Bergerac, Riberac, Eymet) are places with lots of Brits and it is easier to find doctors and businesses that converse in English. Also it would be nice to at least make a paralle move for our middle class income which leaves out Parish and Nice. We wish to sell our home and rent in France because  home ownership requires too much maintence at my age.  It will have to be a single floor home because stairs are hard for my wifes knees and as the smoking rate in France is high we are thinking  that apartments are out as walls and ceillings can easily pass through second hand vapors and smell.  We appreciate all of your insights very, very much !!!

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tony14

Woah, this sounds like a big ask. Moving to another country is difficult enough but if you don't speak the language at all I would say that it is doable but honestly, you will need to start learning French immediately. Living here is not like taking a vacation. It's not like one of the ports on a cruise. If you live here permanently, forever, you need to learn the lingo to both communicate and also to fit in.


I was one of the few who did not do French at school so I have been learning from a standing start since we got here.  My wife and I have already made just about every mistake you can think of but we are still afloat. So, as I said, it is doable. You will just need to jump through a lot of hoops to make it happen.


Think of it as part of the adventure though.  I'd love to help so please DM me and maybe we can chat.


Cordialement,


Tony 😀

Hanvenwey22

@wysemanjohn

Im older as well and share your reasons for moving. Im selling  a lovely one story home in Santa Fe and moving to Perpignan on the SW Mediterranean. I think one can find or have built one story homes but hard to rent. And there is a curious paradox making it hard to rent. Its not impossible but…if you are coming on a Long Stay visa you must sign a statement that you will not work in France and take a French job from a native. You may have a retirement income many times over the required amount but the tight rental market that favors renters means that landlords require strict review and much prefer a French income. Private owners may accept you. There is a way called Garantme that vouches for you but charges you an extra amount each month Third the best apts go to those with a French income and wont consider you even if you are working with a relocation company. Its super  frustrating. You need to prepare a dossier for rentals. One warning : France has 56 nuclear reactors and adding more  Outside the lovely city of Narbonne there is a nuclear waste disposal. The largest one in Europ!

Hanvenwey22

@wysemanjohn

Im older as well and share your reasons for moving. Im selling  a lovely one story home in Santa Fe and moving to Perpignan on the SW Mediterranean. I think one can find or have built one story homes but hard to rent. And there is a curious paradox making it hard to rent. Its not impossible but…if you are coming on a Long Stay visa you must sign a statement that you will not work in France and take a French job from a native. You may have a retirement income many times over the required amount but the tight rental market that favors renters means that landlords require strict review and much prefer a French income. Private owners may accept you. There is a way called Garantme that vouches for you but charges you an extra amount each month Third the best apts go to those with a French income and wont consider you even if you are working with a relocation company. Its super  frustrating. You need to prepare a dossier for rentals. One warning : France has 56 nuclear reactors and adding more  Outside the lovely city of Narbonne there is a nuclear waste disposal. The largest one in Europ!

Hanvenwey22

Im not sure why that appeared twice or how to delete the second. Apologies.


But Ive heard that French people are sympathetic to ordinary Americans that feel the way we do. They are able to distinguish between politicians and the rest of us, and they do appreciate even the effort to learn French. With all of the youtube French lessons from Bonjour to complex debating, there is no reason not to learn! And though people may differ in natural ability, age is not necessarily a deterrent. It’s a great way to keep the brain working.

donkeybros

Bonjour. A couple of long term questions for you. As you are in your 70's, and by your own admissions sedentary, what could you change about your lifestyle IN the USA that would make life easier for yourselves in the comfort of the home and environment that you now obviously enjoy? Perhaps you could look at it with new eyes, rather than moving? Just a suggestion.

Speaking French on any level is essential IMO and life would be very challenging if you don't or are not prepared to learn it.

Just changing countries because the US is going down the toilet under this administration is no reason to upend your lives. It entirely depends on your attitude and the effort you are prepared to expend to get to know the language, culture, people and place and to engage in local activities (difficult when you don't speak French) and to integrate to the extend that ANY expat can do so. It is a hugely expensive exercise! You will want 25% more (at least) in the bank than you anticipate. France is not a 'cheap' option to live, anymore. Healthcare costs go up, and in the year post-covid, our food prices (country- wide average) rose 12%.

Renting housing is extremely problematic as previously documented here. Finding a plein pied rental...or flat foot rental (one level)...is almost non-existent in most places. New builds on the edge of towns (in a lotissement of same kind houses) are often one story, but they are rarely rented.

How do you plan to get around if your wife's knees are bad? Are you expecting to have surgery on those in France? It will cost you way less than in the US but outcomes require the same level of effort in order for them to be optimal.

Handicap access is not optimal in France, and cobble streets can make walking challenging for those with mobility issues (I know this first hand).

It is more than an adventure to move to a foreign country where they don't speak English and are highly protective of their mother tongue. Depending on where you want to live, many French have an attitude about foreigners taking over their country, buying up their houses at premium prices (and driving the prices up) which the young folks cant afford to buy, let alone to maintain or improve et al.

It is a real challenge to find excellent health carers who speak English, outside of the major cities.

Big Question: If one (or both) of you should require long term health care outside of your home, how would you communicate with staff? How would you finance that, coz it isn't free and you are expected to pay/contribute to the care.

It really is necessary to have some command of the language in order to do the most basic of things in France. People here like to telephone, not e-mail, so how are you going to communicate/make appointments et al?

Customer service is almost entirely absent here which is frustrating for most expats, esp. Americans who are used to a high level of service.

Rental and finding appropriate rentals in and around those cities is another HUGE challenge. If you have the finances to lead a decent lifestyle in NOLA then stay there because the cost of moving house, setting yourselves up with all the necessary bureaucratic things in France takes endless time and effort and unless you want to keep paying people to translate and do things for you IN FRENCH, you will find the effort required is a killer.

Just  being highly REAL here. France is not a panacea, and Macron wont always be in power. Things change everywhere, all the time, and those of us who have been here a while watch the political goings on with interest and some trepidation (speaking for myself here). Laws regarding expats and the language requirements are in some flux, but increasingly challenging for many.

Taxes are high as are social charges. You will be a Tax resident in France, and will still be required to file taxes in the US as well. Again, tax filing is in French!

Life isnt all about sitting in cafés and drinking coffee or pastis! Its normal, everyday life as you would live in the US, but just in another country where you and they dont speak the same language. Heaps to consider. Bon Chance!