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Since your base ancestors were born outside modern-day Hungary, it's a more than reasonable assumption that they lost their Hungarian citizenship at some point, either under Trianon or under other provisions of Hungarian law.

That means you have to go the Simplified Naturalization route. And going that route means you have to know Hungarian to a reasonable degree, in addition to having the paperwork.

My gut reaction is that your paperwork trail is so broken that you're not going to get very far with this. Maybe someone else here will offer words of optimism, but I can't. Sorry.

I am going through the simplified naturalization process for the second time. I originally applied in Budapest in the spring of 2019, passing my interview and submitting a clean paper trail to my grandfather, who was born in Hungary in 1885. Without further contact or explanation, I was rejected but invited to reapply. Due to Covid, my second interview was delayed by six months. I passed my second interview at a consulate this fall and am now awaiting an answer, while I continue to study as I assume I will get one of those fast-talking verification phone calls from Budapest any day now.

I am a bit confused as to why the Hungarian government has gotten so much stricter over the last year. I am still enthusiastic about becoming a Hungarian citizen but also concerned about the amount of time I am investing in language studies each week. The process has always been subjective but some of the recent verification phone calls I know of sound somewhat sadistic and random. For example, asking for the names of all the flowers in your backyard in Hungarian or probing for your position on global warming.

Back to my flashcards...I just wanted to update you all on my progress.

Hello. I've tried to read this thread as thoroughly as I could and I just have a question. My great greatgrandfather was born in Neusohl/Besztercebánya, in the kingdom of Hungary side of the austro-hungarian empire. I've found his birth certificate ("Matricula Baptisatorum") in Family Search, and it is included in a collection called "Slovakia Church and Synagogue Books, 1592 - 1935". His parents were italians and he was born in 1872. Am I elegible to apply for a hungarian citizenship via simplified procedure?

Hello,
as you have your grandparents hungarian birth certificate
and based on this information

you will be allowed to apply

but you need to meet a few other criteria

-- he or she or any of their ancestors was a Hungarian citizen or if he or she serves reason to believe his
    or her origin is from Hungary,

-- he or she proves their knowledge of the Hungarian language, has no criminal record and is not under
   prosecution, and naturalization does not violate the public and national security of Hungary.

Thank you very much

Hi everyone, I'm just starting my quest for Hungarian citizenship and am a little nervous after reviewing this thread. I'm descended from Hungarian Jews and have the birth records going back to my Hungarian great-grandfather, who was born in what was then Bihar, Hungary (now Bihor, Romania).

I have two living relatives who still live in Hungary. One is a famous photographer who won the Kossuth Prize in 2010, and the other is his son, a lawyer in Budapest. My mother also taught a three week summer course at the ELTE law school a few years back, although neither of us speak any Hungarian.

I work remotely so I moved to Budapest to study the language when I decided to pursue simplified naturalization to Hungary. In case it's relevant, I'm a 32 year old software developer/entrepreneur. I'm currently developing an app to help with pronunciation training for several languages including Hungarian. I learned Spanish (B2) and Portuguese (C1), and consider myself pretty good at learning languages. I heard A1 level Hungarian would be enough to pass the interview and figured if I am fully immersed and studying a few hours day I could get there in a matter of months.

I tried to hire a language teacher here but she said intermediate Hungarian is required and I would likely need to study for 2 years, which doesn't really fit with my timeframe. She said she spoke to a friend in a foreign consulate and he confirmed. I did some more research and it sounds like the process has gotten a lot harder.

Based on this thread, it sounds like most Americans get rejected even if they pass the language proficiency. I can't sink 2 years into learning a language for a country that wouldn't have me for a citizen anyway. Should I just give up now before I've wasted any more time or money on this misadventure or am I overreacting?

Fellow William,

I am one of the Americans who has twice passed the language component and has all the required proof but has been rejected twice. With no explanation. It is a very subjective process. In my case, a very unfair and mysterious one.

That said, there are lots of Americans who have breezed through it, often without a second interview. There is a big group on Facebook recently renamed Immigration Journey in Hungary. You could get more feedback there.

I do not think the Citizenship Office is targeting specific nationalities. If there is a group they might be tougher on currently, it would be those 50 and older but that is just my feeling. It is impossible to reach conclusions when a process is not transparent.

@william1789 Just wondering, why not just resident, should not be a problem if enough funds, why citizen and drop US nationalitity (just curious). I am currently living in Turkey and I would not even consider my Dutch nationality.

@william1789 Just wondering, why not just resident, should not be a problem if enough funds, why citizen and drop US nationalitity (just curious). I am currently living in Turkey and I would not even consider my Dutch nationality.

- @cdw057

Marriage certificate is important because it shows legitimacy. Somewhere here there was a poster who had a legitimacy problem. Not sure how it was resolved.

Hungarian citizenship is useful for things like property purchase and residency elsewhere in the EU.

- @zif

Hello from Thailand

I  try but fail to get long term travel papers for my non Hungarian wife. Bangkok HUN

Embassy offer only 30 days for her to travel inside Schenzen... I have HUN passport

born in HUN and over 76 old... want to travel Schenzen countries with my wife with

a Euro Rail 6 month train travel purchase...  Any suggestions how me and my wife

may travel around Schenzen not visa restricted to 30 or 90 days? I have valid HUN

passport but my wife can not be approved over 30 days at Bangkok HUN embassy

Apply for a Schengen visa for your wife from another E.U. member state and in the application say that country will be your and your wife's first point of entry into the E.U.  They have to issue the visa for free (her being a family member of an E.U. citizen) and quickly (a couple days max.).  Apply for a multiple entry one.

It will be issued for 90 days or, more likely, six months.  Beyond that, you will need to apply for a residence permit for her.

Be advised that getting a visa or residence permit for a non-E.U. spouse is ALWAYS easier to do in an E.U. country other than the one you hold a passport of than in your own.  In the former case, the governing law is that of the E.U. whereas in your own country it is that country's domestic law, which can be and often is more onerous and complicated.

@mikeyls

Thank you for sharing your knowledge... we can travel to another Schenzen Embassy in Thailand and re test visa passport

application  to travel for period of 6 months inside EU

If you can provide from HUN ravel experience please we ask for a current economics snap shot we may be facing on

the Euro Rail all  Schenzen country  travel Pass,.  Our concerns are including the climate change intergerance and the

financial economics of daily customer services from the local city to city tourist services business.

As an example attached is the economis situation day by day out look from USA  is not  healthy for travel  forecast

@mikeyls
Thank you for sharing your knowledge... we can travel to another Schenzen Embassy in Thailand and re test visa passport
application to travel for period of 6 months inside EU

If you can provide from HUN ravel experience please we ask for a current economics snap shot we may be facing on
the Euro Rail all Schenzen country travel Pass,. Our concerns are including the climate change intergerance and the
financial economics of daily customer services from the local city to city tourist services business.

As an example attached is the economis situation day by day out look from USA is not healthy for travel forecast


-@tamas0

The obvious Embassy to go to is the Austrian one.

There are many more flights to Austria long haul than to Budapest so it wouldn't be unusual to obtain a Schengen visa for Austria.

It's also easy to get to HU from Vienna Airport - on the train or even the bus (costs about EUR 24 and takes 3h). 

@fluffy2560

Thank you for your time and excellent suggestions traveling...

I attended grammar school in Vien during 1956, today can only remember some of the math...

We plan to set an appointment  time to travel to  the Bangkok  Austria Embassy...