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These rallies were small compared to the pro Palestine marches held in the weeks prior, but many people who oppose 鈥渕ass migration鈥� (whatever that means) didn鈥檛 attend because the organisers included some unpalatable groups associated with hate crimes and violence.

Despite the fact there鈥檚 a lot of disquiet in Australia about the level of migration, our major parties were quick to label anyone who attended as 鈥渞acist鈥� which is them trying to stifle criticism of their cross-party addiction to the economic sugar hit of adding hundred of thousands of new arrivals to the population each year. If you oppose 鈥渕ass migration鈥� because of its impact on wages, housing, the environment etc, you鈥檙e scarcely a racist.

Meanwhile in America, Donald Trump pretty admits historical legal immigration to the US has been too low because he says farmers and the tourism industry can鈥檛 survive without the hundreds of thousands if not millions all of illegal workers on their payrolls. Go figure!

Australia like the US, many countries for that matter were built with immigration and people wanting a better life/future and yes Australia has one of the most multicultural mixes in the world, I personally love it, grew up with it and love the diversity these people introduced to Australia teaching us new things and views. Hard work and building great countries.
Extremists and the delusional spoil the mix of great countries and what is for their own ideological gains at the cost of in reality alienating themselves even further to a thinking human being.

Ask yourselves who built your country? Ask yourselves if these extremists were not immigrants themselves somewhere through their lineage? Who built the Snowy mountain scheme, the Hoover dam and created great advances to not only the economy but the culture and a stable system of government?

Give me multicultural any day, the melting of cultures and thoughts.
Saying all this, illegal immigration should not be tolerated as there are protocols to follow as Australia seems to do these days, all are welcome but do it correctly, contribute and prosper.

Hey OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

The problem in America. (I've lived at the epicenter of this in LA for over 30 years.) Is that they stopped enforcing the southern border. And allowed many millions of illegal immigrants into the country. In order to bolster democratic voters. In CA the free benefits to low income individuals are vast. Free housing, free Healthcare, free groceries and monetory stipends anywhere from $800 to $2000+ usd. Voter ID laws have been strongly opposed by the democrats. Which anyone that registers can show up and vote. And it's actually illegal to show your ID.

I have watched LA over the last 30 years turn into a largely third world nation. Made up of illegal immigrants, highly compensated compared to their home countries, tuning into permenant democratic voters. This happened across many cities in the US.

Not mention the drug and criminal numbers passing into the country has changed many towns (just like in several EU cities) into unlivable places. I worked all over Southern California daily. Never felt the need to carry a weapon. And have watched it change into a place full of aggression, violence and just generally an unfriendly dangerous place. Not to mention the unchecked drug flow across the border. That has created an epidemic of drug addiction and drug related deaths.

I am all for immigration. Legal immigration. If you come to any country with something to offer. And a clean criminal history. I can think of few countries that have not benefited from this. But mass, unchecked immigration like this is not a debate about legal immigration. Where your deciding whether immigration is good or bad. The protests against this are about unchecked, mass immigration with political motivations. Not deciding whether a person with something positive to offer should be let in or not. It's about one party trying to put the fix in on voting.

The US went from millions of illegal immigrants, criminals and millions of illegal drugs coming across the border. To something like 9 illegal immigrants a month or so ago.

But again, this isn't about stopping good people from bettering their lives. Or bettering a country with their hard work and ambition.

@Moab762

What is it about then?

Is this a US problem?

Australia put a stop to illegal immigration decades ago but you must admit whether legal or illegal you will never put a stop to the white supremacy fools whether a citizen or not, these fools forget their origins and I just see on the news here in PH that the leader of the neo Nazi's in Australia has been arrested,,,,,,, finally and I hope they lock him up as well as the fools that follow the hate speech sprouted, some people are simply sheep.

Yep, there are laws in all countries and need to be adhered to fervently but I do see the terrorisation being imposed by the current US administration on illegals that have been there for 20/30 years paying their taxes and contributing to the US economy while I don't see too many criminals being caught and deported, I thought that was the aim.

OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

The problem in America. (I've lived at the epicenter of this in LA for over 30 years.) Is that they stopped enforcing the southern border. And allowed many millions of illegal immigrants into the country. In order to bolster democratic voters. In CA the free benefits to low income individuals are vast. Free housing, free Healthcare, free groceries and monetory stipends anywhere from $800 to $2000+ usd. Voter ID laws have been strongly opposed by the democrats. Which anyone that registers can show up and vote. And it's actually illegal to show your ID. - @Moab762

Non-citizens are not allowed to vote in the US, except in very few small local elections pertinent to that locality, like school board, in only a few states. Certainly not in major state or federal elections. This is enforced through strict voter registration laws:

1. Voter registration forms require an applicant to affirm U.S. citizenship under penalty of perjury.
2. Election officials in many states cross-reference voter rolls with other government databases to verify citizenship.
3. At the polls, election workers check lists of eligible voters. If a non-citizen attempts to vote, they can be turned away or given a provisional ballot, which would not be counted without proof of citizenship.

I agree that the illegal entries had to stop. But to claim those people were voting is simply not true.

@pnwcyclist

I have voted every year in CA. And tried multiple times to show my ID. And was strongly refused. So I don't know how they are enforcing non citizens from voting. But in CA you just walk up. And they allow you to vote. Even in the registration phase you are asked to mark that you are a citizen. Iirc. But have never been asked to verify that. Or heard of it being enforced. Without showing ID with your face there to verify. I have never seen this happening. The law may say that but it is unenforced.

Why else is there such an outcry to not require voters to show ID? What other purpose would not showing your ID have? Everyone is allowed to have an ID. It's impossible to get around bureaucracy and even financial issues without an ID. Not saying a driver's license. Just a state issued ID. You need one to do anything these days. Why not be required to show it when you vote? It's not only not required in CA. They freak out when you just try to show it.

bigpearl said . . . .Australia put a stop to illegal immigration decades ago

Here comes another food fight.

(1) Who would want to come to Australia anyways?

(2) It's location is a stopper for illegals being an island in the middle of the ocean.

(3) Now America is connected by land to over a billion people.

(4) So people have just walked in for the last four years and met by The Welcome Committee.

Trump鈥檚 a bit sneaky on migration, claims to be reducing legal migration but in fact all he does is go back to a recent high and cut from that, so continuing to bring in shitloads of people just not as many as the other guy. On illegal migration, he鈥檚 just told ICE not to target employers in the agriculture and hospitality industries because he says the illegal workers on their payrolls are essential to those farms, hotels etc. That鈥檚 heading towards two million illegals that Trump says should not be deported and he鈥檚 asked Congress to institute a process to regularise their immigration status. So Trump is admitting that legal migration has historically been too low because the economy needed those workers all along

@Enzyte Bob

I live on an island in the Atlantic and the illegals are still arriving, and to be quite frank, we are being over run by these people (mostly men cowards running) who only want free money, free accommodation and free food while not willing to integrate yet expect change to accommodate their culture that they run away from..馃��

Hello everyone,

I have checked this thread carefully and could not find any relation to the Philippines. Unfortunately, I therefore had to close it.

Thank you for your understanding.

Cheryl

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