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Oh dear, that sounds awful. I'm surprised management hasn't done anything since people are getting away with free stuff under their dong! Not sure about Riverpark but I have not heard about this happening at any other condo here in PMH, so this is not normal. The only "strangers" I see are backpackers who like to wander through but they just walk around in hopes of finding some Viet girl to talk to. They never stay long.

milkybunnyHCM wrote:

Oh dear, that sounds awful. I'm surprised management hasn't done anything since people are getting away with free stuff under their dong! ...

I'm not surprised.  Probably someone who is a resident there taking a bill here and there to open the door (or has sold copies of keys) for anyone to use.

Tran Hung Dao wrote:

milkybunnyHCM wrote:

Oh dear, that sounds awful. I'm surprised management hasn't done anything since people are getting away with free stuff under their dong! ...

I'm not surprised.  Probably someone who is a resident there taking a bill here and there to open the door (or has sold copies of keys) for anyone to use.

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Interesting, never happens where I am here, but good to know that is something to look out for at other places in the future.

milkybunnyHCM wrote:

Interesting, never happens where I am here, but good to know that is something to look out for at other places in the future.

Never happens because you don't see it?
The human network here is vast.Your security man may have a sister who has a friend who has a cousin with 2 kids that like to go swimming.
Security shifts change daily,people are replaced,new tenants move in etc.
It's hard enough work for the security guard/front counter attendant to keep their smartphone charged up enough to watch Youtube,let alone keep an eye on every person who enters.

jimbream wrote:

milkybunnyHCM wrote:

Interesting, never happens where I am here, but good to know that is something to look out for at other places in the future.

Never happens because you don't see it?
The human network here is vast.Your security man may have a sister who has a friend who has a cousin with 2 kids that like to go swimming.
Security shifts change daily,people are replaced,new tenants move in etc.
It's hard enough work for the security guard/front counter attendant to keep their smartphone charged up enough to watch Youtube,let alone keep an eye on every person who enters.

OP mentioned the pool and gym were always packed by people that obviously do not live there. Where I am the gym nor pool are over packed and is filled with the typical Korean crowd that lives here. I'm not saying it's never, ever happened but it's not on a scale for anybody to notice. Probably no different than the occasional pool-hopper at a fancy hotel in US?

Tran Hung Dao wrote:

milkybunnyHCM wrote:

Oh dear, that sounds awful. I'm surprised management hasn't done anything since people are getting away with free stuff under their dong! ...

I'm not surprised.  Probably someone who is a resident there taking a bill here and there to open the door (or has sold copies of keys) for anyone to use.

You hit the nail right on the head.

milkybunnyHCM wrote:

jimbream wrote:

milkybunnyHCM wrote:

Interesting, never happens where I am here, but good to know that is something to look out for at other places in the future.

Never happens because you don't see it?
The human network here is vast.Your security man may have a sister who has a friend who has a cousin with 2 kids that like to go swimming.
Security shifts change daily,people are replaced,new tenants move in etc.
It's hard enough work for the security guard/front counter attendant to keep their smartphone charged up enough to watch Youtube,let alone keep an eye on every person who enters.

OP mentioned the pool and gym were always packed by people that obviously do not live there. Where I am the gym nor pool are over packed and is filled with the typical Korean crowd that lives here. I'm not saying it's never, ever happened but it's not on a scale for anybody to notice. Probably no different than the occasional pool-hopper at a fancy hotel in US?

Well, I stayed at New World Hotel for about 7 days. You can't use any of their facilities without them vetting you first as a hotel guest. Their staff are very professional and attentative. Lots of security too.

Well, the security guards and even the cleaning ladies all have spare keys. Sometimes, I have seen them "helping" those forgetful tenants without keys to get into the building. On weekends, we even have all kinds of strangers, some not even wearing proper swim costumes enjoying at our expense- since we are the ones paying the 'management fees'. So called lifeguard? hardly around or do not dare enforce rules! Signs may be put there, but without any bite, might as well throw them away. Phu My Hung  management is the most unresponsive and worst body of its kind, hardly professional in approach. Recently, they did not even know how to settle a problem on the usage of free tennis courts and just shut the whole facility down. What a simple solution!

At our apartment blocks in Phu My Hung the regular food and drink delivery services don't have much of a problem. Security guards just call up on the intercom (with camera) system to check first.

Security camera's are around the outside of each block of apartments, every entrance doorway, underneath in the car/motorbike parking areas, plus inside on every floor right outside the lift doors. Electronic doors from the lift lobby in the basement out into the parking areas with individual tenants combinations issued to open the doors to enter after parking.

When delivery and trades people have to come in there's a narrow walkway for bikes and those on foot. All their bikes have to be parked in plain sight, along a high wall less then 30m from the security room.
Bikes also have to pay a small fee to the security guards before they can leave again.

Taxis can come in through the gate to drop off a resident but they have come in (after the passenger(s) have been visually checked by the security guards) immediately do a sharp right hand turn, stop right next to the security room between the gates 'in' and 'out'. Then leave as soon as the resident gets out and pays the fare.

The other tenants are quick to spot a stranger who shouldn't be inside the area and they let the security guards know of their displeasure pretty quickly.

Think the only times I've seen a group of non-residents in the grounds at all had been whenever one of the kids is having a party, a birthday party or something.
Even then everyone always seemed to stay down in the kid's playing area, eating/cooking/drinking water fountain area, and the paddling pool.
I've never noticed non-resident come up to the main swimming pool itself.
Not even sure if a resident is permitted to invite someone else over to use the swimming pool.

Flip465 wrote:

The other tenants are quick to spot a stranger who shouldn't be inside the area and they let the security guards know of their displeasure pretty quickly.

Perhaps we live in the same place.

milkybunnyHCM wrote:

Flip465 wrote:

The other tenants are quick to spot a stranger who shouldn't be inside the area and they let the security guards know of their displeasure pretty quickly.

Perhaps we live in the same place.

'milkybunnyHCM',   Probably not the same apartment blocks.

You said earlier (I think) that yours has a gym and pool ?
When we where first moving in, there was a sign up advertising a gym to be fitted out in a room next to the pool - but that never happened

Haven't seen many Koreans or Korean families around either. Mainly (well off) VN families with a few expats thrown in for good measure.

Start of last year more than 3/4 of the underground parking was for motorbikes. Now cars have taken more than half the total parking area. BMW's, Merc's, Audi's everywhere even a beautiful little Porsche 911 along with, but out numbering, the usual Toyotas, etc.

Hey sploke77

It seems we are living in the same condo

Its good to see that also some other people here have similar opinions and are also more than pissed off...

The situation with the tennis courts is really more than ridiculous and not understandable! But hey, that's Vietnam! Nothing can surprise me anymore in this country

Since two weeks, my family believes to live in the middle of a big building yard. There are big (and I mean really big) construction works above our apartment without any information! Our baby has not anymore the option for a short nap! It sounds like the change everything in the apartment! That is absolutly  not acceptable and for us now the mainreason to move out from this very unprofessional building! I don't want to start talking about the quality in this building (that would also take to much time ) but we are paying relativly much to live here (compared to many other condos) and thats why we actually expect much more professional support by the building management! But hey come on, after several complains....forget it!

Rany:  it's good you can just move at a momemt's whim. We just signed for another year and do not relish losing 2 months' deposit for breaking lease. So, bear and stay on , although some drilling work done at the evening is pretty disturbing..

Sploke77 wrote:

Rany:  it's good you can just move at a momemt's whim. We just signed for another year and do not relish losing 2 months' deposit for breaking lease. So, bear and stay on , although some drilling work done at the evening is pretty disturbing..

Do you think the leasing system is lopsided in favor of the landlord?

THD: very much so and I am sure you agree. They just have the upper hand when it comes to return of monies! No recourse to law for us , right?

Somewhat off topic. But in my building the security allowed a car to be pinched the other day. There is only one exit and a security guard is suppose to be there 24/7.

Not sure about the New World hotel security, i visited a friend who stayed there for vacation, i went straight to my friend's room without being asked for an ID or any paper