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Hi,

It depends on the house you choose to rent. But if you choose a rent below 1000/1200 euros/month, that will be enough for food and all your utility bills. That value is also reasonably above the amounts currently accepted for the D7 visa.

Regards

I agree somewaht with JohnnyPT. I had a look at my spending in 2017 when still renting an apartment for 1200 EUR. Without health related costs we (as a couple) came to about 40k EUR. This naturally despends upon the lifestyle expectations. Basic standard in Portugal might mean a life without heating and things like that.

@JohnnyPT Well, let me put it that way: I will put the "horse behind the horse cart, not in front of it". I mean, I have a limited amount of money available every month and I will search for a city, a suburb and a house according to this budget.

I do it this way because I have no idea what are the prices in different parts of Portugal and here exactly where you can help me :

Which city and, if possible, which suburb to rent a small apartment. Some people think that I have to avoid the Capital City for example.

Having that said and whatever comes out, will not reflect of course the real life at the moment of search. This approach would only give a general idea in order not to waste time by searching in wrong places.

I live now in Germany. If a retired couple ask me the same questions having the same budget of 2500 euros, I would not advise this couple to live in Berlin or even in any big city for example. But in this case, they would need to learn German language. In big cities, almost everyone speaks English or French.

But as I speak English, Arabic, French and some German, I am not going at my age of 66 to learn Portuguese, unless there is a strong reason to (I do not mean to be unpolite - in fact I love learning languages) . So I should live in a city where I can find people who could speak foreign languages.

@ khaledabuhijleh123

With this amount from 2.500€, you can live in many places in Portugal.

I get my 2nd apartment in Lisbon, with Tejo River view, about 80m2, for 900€, add E, W, Inter., Gas.

This is a topic which is not possible to solve by "distance", only on place; take a T1 apartment and start to look around.

This way was our way, and we are happy with the results.

Regarding language, I m the same opinion with you, many people understand English, are very friendly and happy to help you. It is not mandatory to spick portugiesisch.

When you respect them they will respect you!

I'd suggest, though I no longer live in Berlin, you pop over here for months and have an experience of what is available in a couple of places. No one can make your decisions for you so the more time you spend here the better your information will be.

@khaledabuhijleh123,

As has already been said here, these are your decisions, based on what you want and not only in forums. I can say 2 things:

1. if you speak English (and French, which is also used in some places, especially in the north of Portugal) the language is not a problem, as many people are helpful for non native speakers. If you learn few words, this would be seen kindly for the others.

2. Rentals in Lisbon and Porto are overpriced and scarce, so I suggest you other places.

@khaledabuhijleh123 2500 is a good money already to live here in Portugal you can live in armaçao de pera or lagoa or silves or faro

@JohnnyPT I am planning to make a short visit to Portugal this summer 2024. I will try to get as much information as possible that I need before moving permanently to Portugal.

I would like to know what documents I should take with me so I can apply for a permanent residence visa for me and my wife during this first trip in case we liked the situation.

I am Jordanian and I live now in Germany (9 years). I need a visa that allows me also to work in Portugal though I am retired. I have a monthly retirement salary of 2600 euros and an international health care insurance from  UN system.

So, what documents (profs) do I need to bring with me?

Khaled

Many thanks

@Khaled,

I assume you don't have German citizenship. Therefore you need a visa to apply for permanent residence, which you must apply for in your country of residence, Germany.

Ask about visas such as D7 visa & required documents at one of the Portuguese consulates in Germany. You can't do this in Portugal during your holidays, which should be less than 90 days(*).

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Hi Johnny

ive come across some people from south africa who told me that they made their application for visa after arriving in portugal 

just out of interest, how did they manage that?

Maybe its to do with them opening and running a business here

thanks

I know essentially nothing about this, but I believe that people entering the country with a job waiting for them are in a different situation with immigration.  The key phrase to look up to learn more about this might be "manifestação de interesse."  Next step after the web search would probably be to contact a lawyer.